elodieunderglass:

honoriaw:

vmohlere:

wigglyflippingout:

wigglyflippingout:

wigglyflippingout:

honestly this will probably be a Controversial Post so Don’t @ Me but

you absolutely should be pro animal testing.

against cosmetic animal testing is one thing. to be honest, if we were in 1955, i’d say it’s still necessary, but we’ve kinda sussed out our options. we have a good database. only the weird experimental bullshit is worth animal testing in the field of cosmetics.

medical animal testing, though? if you come for medical animal testing, i will fight you.

yes i know the pictures look gory, and mean, and creepy. but this is still the primary way we learn.

only a fucking fool says that we know enough about biology to model it all on a computer. biology is one of those subjects where it can look like we know what we’re doing in that big picture high school view, but SURPRISE ASSHOLE! WE KNOW JACK FUCKING SHIT. we just discovered a new organ, like, a couple years ago. there are layers of immune system so involved that we know humans probably have them but we just don’t fucking know how to spot it. and if you can’t spot it, if you can’t describe its behavior – how the fuck do you computer model it?

so what do you do? you use test animals as analogues. a lot of test animals are used because we want to study something, but we need it simpler, and more easy to spot. shoutout to fruit flies and zebrafish! and then there are some test animals where we want to see what it might look like in a complex critter with a lot of moving parts similar to ours – like mice.

in a perfect world, we wouldn’t have to do any animal testing. let me get this straight: i know that animals suffer and die so we can test on them. i know that. but even as i mourn them, i thank them.

we still need animal testing in medical science the same way a general needs foot soldiers. in a perfect world, there would be no war. but there is war yet to fight.

be grateful. be compassionate. fight for strict ethical standards. (for one fucking thing, bad ethics means bad fucking science, because you’re introducing additional variables into the mix and not being honest about balancing for them!) remember every single animal from chimpanzee down to fruitfly as a brave soul who gave their life for a greater cause.

but the cause is still great. 

honor the sacrifice of these animals by supporting research, not seeking to make their deaths be in vain by saying you do not want the foundation of knowledge they gave us to be built upon any longer. they gave us a precious gift of knowledge for their lives already. it is not kind nor ethical to spurn that gift, because the war isn’t over, and the battles are not yet won.

remember these animals as brave soldiers. honor them. be proud of them. seek that those still in the fight are treated humanely. hell, make memorials! there is a lovely memorial in poland iirc dedicated to all the knockout mice that have helped us understand genetics, and it’s one of my favourite monuments in the entire world.

…but don’t disrespect their sacrifice.

(and if you need to care, on a more practical level, about the medical animal testing that looks ickiest to you because it’s cute doggies and kitties? ….where the fuck do you think new veterinary medicines come from, shat out by cherubim upon our heads? knowing that a medicine works for x illness in dogs isn’t just a stepping stone to human test trials, WE NOW HAVE A MEDICINE FOR DOGS TOO.)

ok i misremembered it is in russia, not poland

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/russian-statue-honoring-laboratory-mice-gains-renewed-popularity-180964570/

it was unveiled in 2013, and is in Novosibirsk at their institute of genetics (same people that still are running the SibFox experiment)

i think we need more monuments like this. i would like to see one in every college that has a genetics department. thanking not only mice, but all laboratory animals. 

#who else you gonna test on? minorities?  – via @totemclefable

don’t say that out loud the vegans will hear you

seriously though whenever i’ve brought it up to people who are against medical testing on animals, there’s about 95% odds that they go “oh we can just test people who are in jail and on death row instead!!!”.

and then i always have a moment of being quietly exhausted at them. i feel like it’s a bad sign when my white as wonderbread ass has a moment of “oh god help you, i dunno if i have the strength to explain to you right now about racial problems”. it’s so above and beyond that when  think somebody is being too white, like when they complain about salt being too spicy and mayonnaise being exotic, like, they’re deep in the shit indeed

Imma toot my own horn and post a link to the poem I wrote about this.

http://www.jabberwocky-magazine.com/2011/03/laying-small-ghosts/

We have insulin, all those lives saved, because of one good dog. Read about it:

Breakthrough: Elizabeth Hughes, the Discovery of Insulin, and the Making of a Medical Miracle

I really love the OP, I really appreciate their reflections on the nuances of the issue. I really admire @vmohlere ‘s poem, it’s a really nice piece of craft. I really love @honoriaw‘s addition.

this is giving me so many good feelings about a nuanced, heavy, difficult topic. I’m so glad we could share them. This is such a hopeful and thoughtful approach.

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